Today’s Headlines

  • Driver Kills Person Walking in Aurora Crosswalk, DenPo Blames Victim Who “Was Possibly Using a Cell Phone”
  • Unidentified Driver Kills Kid on Bike in Breckenridge, DenPo Blames Apparently Sentient Car
  • Jon Caldera Terrified Voters Will Fund Morsel of Transit, Thinks Cities Can’t Think for Themselves (DenPo)
  • …And Republicans Agree With Him (DBJ)
  • Hancock Advances “Aerotropolis” Sprawl Many Miles from City Neighborhoods (Denverite)
  • Four Injured After Parker Police Chase Driver Through Streets (CBS4)

National headlines at Streetsblog USA

  • eugene tooms

    You’re missing some important context. The person in the first story was jaywalking through a red signal. This isn’t victim blaming, they are the ones at fault for this accident.

    Who knows how it was determined that they were “possibly using a cell phone”. sounds like bs to me.

    • MT

      “This isn’t victim blaming” then blames the victim. Nice.

      • TakeFive

        So if you’re in a car then you are automatically responsible for anything bad that happens; conversely once you step outside the vehicle you bear no responsibility for anything. Srsly, what slice of the echochamber, let along the other 90% has virtually zero common sense and believes that nonsense.

        So far as making the world a safer place for pedestrians that’s a worthy and whole other topic.

        • MT

          As a driver, you are tested and licensed to operate a vehicle and you are supposed to be responsible for your actions when you drive it.
          As a pedestrian, you are just walking in public. The most basic human right. Yet your life is constantly at risk, and those that have the power to kill you claim it’s your responsibility to get out of their way.
          It’s wrong. It’s sick. It’s a society in decline. If we don’t value human life what the hell is wrong with us?

          • TakeFive

            As a Centrist who sometimes leans to the left and other times to the right there is some value in conservative’s view that society/gubment can care for everybody’s peccadilloes or eliminate all risks in life. There simply isn’t enough money; even if all the one-percenters offered their net worths it still wouldn’t be enough.

            So it’s important to pick your battles. I can easily recommend more funding for opiate and other addictions. That’s likely the source of most of the (worst) carnage anyway.

            I like green streets which is consistent with complete streets but as Denverite (per the city) indicated it would take $hundreds of millions just for Federal alone. Still, whatever you can convince the taxpayers to fund is fine by me.

          • MT

            It’s not really about eliminating risks, it’s about the risks we are creating ourselves. We build streets that prioritize vehicle speed and capacity over pedestrian convenience and safety. That’s not a risk that the government could protect us from, that’s a risk our government built and sanctioned.

            We placed restrictions on a person’s right to walk where and when they please so that cars could drive faster. We restricted access to public space to those who drive cars. Not very conservative to me. We created laws that place the blame on pedestrians for jaywalking, a concept that did not exist before, instead of creating laws that place responsibility for the use of potentially deadly machines on those that operate them.

            We decided that we value driving fast over safety. We decided that we value it so much that we are really reluctant to hold drivers responsible for killing people.

            It’s not about funding, it’s about our basic values. Right now our values say streets belong to cars and people must get out of the way or die. Our values say our laws should place blame on people walking, not on people driving. Our values say money must be spent to speed car travel, money to make streets safer is not a priority.

            There are a lot of policies and a lot of infrastructure and a lot of laws that could be changed to make us safer, but we as a society have not decided that it’s important.

            Every time we blame someone for their own death in this system, we are saying their death does not matter. This system represents my values and I like it the way it is. This amount of killing is ok with me.

            Well it’s not ok with me.

      • eugene tooms

        oh please. if I’m riding my bike down the street and a pedestrian jaywalks in front of me causing a collision, I am the victim.

        • MT

          Just walking across the street, light is green so drivers don’t pay close attention, don’t see a person that could easily be avoided. Hit that person, blame that person even though you had plenty of opportunity to avoid them.

          The responsibility can not lay with every random person that might go out in public on foot.This makes children, the elderly, blind, deaf, every single person out in public on foot the ones responsible, instead of the supposedly licensed and tested operators of deadly machines. It’s wrong.

          • eugene tooms

            I’m an extreme bicycle and pedestrian rights supporter, but you are not being rational.

            This is why we have something called “right of way”. These aren’t deep philosophical and moral dilemmas. There are simple rules telling us who is to blame.

            In CO, at a traffic-controlled crosswalk, pedestrians have to wait for a walk signal. If they don’t, they are responsible for the consequences.

          • MT

            And how is that system working out?
            It kills thousands of people.
            So, keep supporting it then, I guess.

            It should be a moral dilemma. Cars have killed more Americans than every war this country has ever been it. Why shouldn’t we take it seriously? We sure as hell don’t now. This system of ” I have the right of way so it’s your fault I killed you” does not work.

          • eugene tooms

            I began with a statement about how in this one specific case the pedestrian is probably at fault and you’ve somehow changed the topic to poor infrastructure, which I agree with, but it has nothing to do with what I said and my point stands. L8r MT

          • MT

            Every time it’s “just one case where it’s the pedestrian’s fault.”

            I never mentioned infrastructure, though that is a large part of the problem.

            What I’m talking about here is the culture that places no blame on drivers and all blame on pedestrians as a default. It insulates and protects those with the power to kill, and places blame and responsibility on those who are most vulnerable.

            This is a moral issue. This is a culture that will never build safer infrastructure because it does not want to protect the vulnerable.
            It’s a culture that hasn’t even decided it cares about human life.

          • MT

            It’s easy to say “the law says this about the right of way so you are to blame for your own death and no one else did anything wrong.”

            The law exists because it’s supporting what have become our societal norms. Not because the law is “right.” The law sure isn’t making people safe.

            Instead of the law protecting those vulnerable people, it protects those with the power. This is wrong. This needs to change.